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I missed these first time through. Good stuff.
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What about the use of "can" vs "must" in that context? If we go with "must" then it becomes a rule: living only be the confines of the law ultimately means you are dishonest - perhaps because you have no moral compass of your own, but only one which society has forced upon you.
Or at least one who lives within the law never knows whether they are truly honest or not; whether their honesty is genuine or compelled by fear of societal sanction.
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our minds are bought and paid for and we bristle to acknowledge it
being honest is outside the law -- some one got crucified for it
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it could mean that those who are truly successful (making breakthroughs in their fields, for instance) are more often punished than rewarded for their achievements. van gogh is the classic example of the artist whose success brought him material pain. jesus christ is a more extreme example: a man without sin who died a criminal's death. there is no success like failure because the greatest successes are a failure according to the status quo. onward the the second part: failure is no success at all. what's the sense of trying if the highest achievements receive the greatest penalties. again, van gogh could make no claims of success because the circumstances of his career spelled failure. if you paint the great picture and nobody wants to buy it, how can you claim it is as a success. Meanwhile, the mediocre product usually brings a fair price., but the person who creates it knows himself a failure for producing such crap, so cannot consider himself a success, despite the comfortable reqard, In brief: The greatest successes are rejected by the world as failures. Therefore, such failures cannot be counted as successes.
Thank you, wurlitzer. A very credible interpretation. The more I think about it, the more I like it. Thanks for taking the time.
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Chimes (User)
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Re:"To Live Outside the Law..." 4 Months ago
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Living outside the law, may be a result of an moral obligation, a different
point of view of the current standard and not necessarily of bad character.
Law is evolving and no doubt for reason.
W.L. Harrison said, 'that which is not just is not law'. His principals
and convictions persuaded him to be honest about just that.
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Re: 3 Months, 4 Weeks ago
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Chimes wrote:
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W.L. Harrison said, 'that which is not just is not law'. His principals
and convictions persuaded him to be honest about just that.
i agree.
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Re: 3 Months, 4 Weeks ago
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Chimes wrote:
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Living outside the law, may be a result of an moral obligation, a different
point of view of the current standard and not necessarily of bad character.
Law is evolving and no doubt for reason.
W.L. Harrison said, 'that which is not just is not law'. His principals
and convictions persuaded him to be honest about just that.
Law doesnt evolve. It is fixed.
Neither is it just.
It is only upheld in order to maintain a social order.
"Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid" is an excellent treatise on the inflexibility, unjustness, and immorality of the law.
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Re: 3 Months, 4 Weeks ago
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wurlitzer wrote:
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Chimes wrote:
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Living outside the law, may be a result of an moral obligation, a different
point of view of the current standard and not necessarily of bad character.
Law is evolving and no doubt for reason.
W.L. Harrison said, 'that which is not just is not law'. His principals
and convictions persuaded him to be honest about just that.
Law doesnt evolve. It is fixed.
Neither is it just.
It is only upheld in order to maintain a social order.
"Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid" is an excellent treatise on the inflexibility, unjustness, and immorality of the law.
Those who represent the law are always right,
no matter which side they are on.
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Chimes (User)
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Re:"To Live Outside the Law..." 3 Months, 4 Weeks ago
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Arguments don't have to be dull.
True, sometimes there are
interpretations of what is written and not what you wish was written.
True again, there are many indications of disappointment from when
prior decisions have been dismantled and/or seriously undermined.
To be honest, is that not good enough? I would agree,
that is the exception to the rule.
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Re:"To Live Outside the Law..." 3 Months, 4 Weeks ago
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I used to have a bumper sticker on my old car that said ""to live outside the law you must be honest" I got it at a Dylan concert. I don't remember if it was official or something I bought in the parking lot.
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Re:"To Live Outside the Law..." 3 Months, 4 Weeks ago
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If the cops have a warrant out for your arrest, be sure all your traffic tickets have been paid.
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Re:"To Live Outside the Law..." 3 Months, 4 Weeks ago
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sometimes you just find yourself over the line
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Re: 3 Months, 3 Weeks ago
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Pufmama wrote:
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sometimes you just find yourself over the line
,,,if there ever was a line
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