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i think bob has the right to lend himself for any commercial he feels good with. If we don't like that that's to bad for us...

anyway,
how long is it ago that bob dylan took any kind of political stand in public?

Oh, stop now. Anyone who is making a big deal out of this video is just ridiculous. He's obviously doing this to promote his radio show. And why not? It's a GREAT show, so there's no problem in trying to get more people to tune in, therefore supporting and advertising the music that he plays. Which deserves to live on.

He doesn't need to fit his actions to your interests.

Nissan commercial from a couple of years ago ...
http://elyliu.com/350z/Nissan%20350z%20commercial.wmv

...with - that's right - Ramblin' Jack Elliott singing Woody's, "Car, Car."

Ain't life grand?


Edit: You may have to right click the link and then save it in order to see the commercial. It's 7.9MB.

I think it is quite obvious that bob is "cashing in." He's been through a lot of phases, but his current phase is grabbing what is left before it is gone and before he is gone.

It doesn't bother me that he is "cashing in" -- and let's be honest, "cashing in" is the same as "selling out" -- I'd do the exact same thing.

admin wrote:

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i think bob has the right to lend himself for any commercial he feels good with. If we don't like that that's to bad for us...

anyway,
how long is it ago that bob dylan took any kind of political stand in public?

oct. 20, 2007 when he performed masters of war and workingman's blues

doing an Escalade ad IS a political stance

here's what Bob's stance is directly in the face of, like it or not
http://www.whrc.org/resources/online_publications/warming_earth/potential_outcome.htm

Mr. Tambourine Man wrote:

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Oh, stop now. Anyone who is making a big deal out of this video is just ridiculous. He's obviously doing this to promote his radio show. And why not? It's a GREAT show, so there's no problem in trying to get more people to tune in, therefore supporting and advertising the music that he plays. Which deserves to live on.

He doesn't need to fit his actions to your interests.

gary coleman is right!

bob's not doing it to promote some stupid car! he's doing it to increase paid subscriptions to his radio show.

s_f

Warren wrote:

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Nissan commercial from a couple of years ago ...

http://elyliu.com/350z/Nissan%20350z%20commercial.wmv

...with - that's right - Ramblin' Jack Elliott singing Woody's, "Car, Car."

Thanks for that, Warren!
Bob has been imitating Jack for decades!


... and Woody set the trend: http://www.wshs.org/wshs/columbia/articles/0101-a2.htm


Ten Dollars a Song

Woody Guthrie Sells His Talent to the Bonneville Power Administration

By Robert C. Carriker

The director of the Bonneville Power Administration (BPA) did not usually audition songwriters in his office, but this was a special situation. For a solid hour Woody Guthrie, a 28-year-old writer and singer who desperately needed a job, strummed the guitar, sang folk songs, and generally entertained the BPA's director, Dr. Paul Raver. What Raver heard that May morning in 1941 impressed him, so he rewarded the awkward young man from Los Angeles with a one-month contract worth $266.66 to work as an "information consultant." Guthrie, in turn, obligated himself to write songs that would make people in the Pacific Northwest appreciate the work of the BPA and value the concept of public power....

country bill wrote:

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admin wrote:

QUOTE:
i think bob has the right to lend himself for any commercial he feels good with. If we don't like that that's to bad for us...

anyway,
how long is it ago that bob dylan took any kind of political stand in public?

oct. 20, 2007 when he performed masters of war and workingman's blues

country bill has a point, Thomas [Admin], does he not?

Bob, you got a lotta nerve
To say you are my friend
When we were down
You just stood there grinning

Bob, you got a lotta nerve
To say you got a helping hand to lend
You just want to be on
The side that's winning

Bob, I say you let us down
It is exactly like that
If you're so hurt & need the money
Why then don't you prove it

Bob, you say you lost your faith
But that's not where it's at
You had no faith to lose
And you know it

I know the reason
you talk behind our back
You've become the kind of crowd you're in with

Do you take me for such a fool
To think I'd make contact
With the one who apparently doesn't know anything to begin with

You see me on the street
You always act surprised
You say, "How are you?" "Good luck"
But you don't mean it

When you know as well as me
You'd rather see me paralyzed
Why don't you just come out once
And scream it (or just do an Escalade ad)

And, no Bob, I do not feel that good
When I see the heartbreaks you embrace
If I was a master thief
Perhaps I'd rob you

And now I know you're dissatisfied
With your position and your place
Don't you understand
That IS very much your problem

I wish that for just one time
You could stand inside my shoes
And just for that one moment
I could be you

Yes, I wish that for just one time
You could stand inside my shoes
You'd know what a drag it is
To Be You

bobbycat wrote:

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Cool down everybody. Iīd rather not see Dylan in all these comercials, thatīs for sure, but what really counts is his artistic output.At the end of the day itīs all what really matters.

I agree. However one may feel about the Cadillac Escalade, what Bob chooses to endorse has nothing to do with his artistic output.

What saddens me most, as someone who considers the radio shows to be a part (however small) of his artistic output, is that by doing a Cadillac show at precisely the time that this ad comes out, he has now mingled his artistic output with blatant commercialism in a way that I believe he has never done before. (You could argue that the Victoria's Secret commercial's use of Love Sick did this, but I'd argue against this - the song was written long before the idea of the commercial came to be, but the Cadillac radio show is almost certainly a tie-in).

The corporate world, when they figured out what it was and how to use it they snuffed the breath out of it and killed it. What do they care? Anything that's in the way, they run over like a bulldozer, once they understood it they killed it and made it a thing of the past, put up a monument to it and now that's what you're hearing, the headstone, it's a billion dollar business. I don't know, I guess it's hard to find flaws with this. Used to be, they were very much afraid, you know, like hide your daughters, that sort of thing...Elvis, Little Richard, Chuck Berry...they all struck fear into the heart. Now they got a purpose sort of...to sell soap, blue jeans, anything, it's become country club music...White House...Kentucky Fried Chicken...it's all been neutralized...nothing threatening, nothing magical...nothing challenging. For me I hate to see it because it set me free, set the whole world on fire, there's a lot of us who still can remember, who've been there.

bob dylan, c.1985

Well, this isn't that much different to the iPod commerical - in that he was promoting his new album in an iTunes/iPod commerical where you could get it.

This ad is clearly selling Theme Time Radio Hour on XM Radio - which is sponsered by Cadillac. So he's promoting his show. Suffice to say though, it's also selling the car and tying it in with Bob and his show. It's less offensive to consider that you see the "listen to Theme Time" thing and XM come up before you do the Cadillac bit, but considering the problems XM is facing and that Bob is the second biggest draw only to Howard Stern on satellite radio, I'm sure they wanted to use their #1 show to help promote it more. Sadly, it's for an expensive gas guzzling SUV as well, but whatever.

I wonder what Tom Waits is going to think about this - he said he found the Victoria's Secret thing funny.

I just hope there isn't a trend here in that if you sponsor XM / TTRH you get Bob's endorsement and a show based on your product. I can't imagine a great show based on "soap" or "toliet paper".

busy being born wrote:

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I've got 3 things to say to this

First of all, Jeff Rosen, if you had anything to do with this, a GIGANTIC Fuck You

Second of all, Bob, I seriously hope your house burns down from a climate change induced fire

and one more thing,

I may not listen to Bob for a long time on the back of this news

there's lots of good artists out there who aren't clueless

Bob can sing Masters of War and then promote gas guzzling asshole vehicles?

There's a touching article on the cover of this past Sunday's NY Times about an 8 year old girl struggling to understand why her father isn't coming home.

The answer, apparently, is blowing in the wind of Bob Dylan's Escalade.

What I keep hearing in my head is Bob's new version of Positively 4th Street.

You've got a lot of nerve to say you are my friend.

Don't you know this IS our problem?

As a result, if for just one moment, you could stand inside my shoes this morning.

You would know what a drag it is to see you having done this.

You should be smacked around for wishing Bob's house would burn down. I'm not talking in a metaphorical sense either, I mean seriously, literally smacked around. I hate this shit as much as you do, but to wish the Man's house would burn down?? Get a fuckin' grip. I take my Bob Dylan seriously, but not THAT seriously.

"in a way the 60s ended the day we sold that bus. December 31, 1969."

-justin